p20. Life or something “Hollywood”
Well I don’t know about you, but I can certainly sleep better now that Tom Cruise has answered all the questions of metal health issues and medication on one interview show (Interview script is below).
Living life by a script, blowing kisses to the well wishers who hold you in a “bigger than life” status, having the money of a godzillionar, yes this is what I call reality, or something like it.
• this makes the hero’s of our generation
• this makes the people who influence those who are not of mind to educate themselves
• this is the person who speaks to those without experience and convinces them of their nonsense
• this is the person who breaks the hearts of parents who have labored over the decision to medicate their children or themselves
• and yes, this is the celebrity who single handedly puts mental illness back in the closet.
“There is no such thing as a chemical imbalance.”
Ah Mr. Cruise… those diabetics are going to be clamoring to your door to see how they can live minus their insulin, and why you’re at it - I am looking for a way to give up my twice a week shots for my auto-immune arthritis.
But on topic, what you are telling me is that I as a parent have totally caused all of the incidents I have discussed here because I failed to provide my daughter with an adequate supply of Fred Flintstone vitamins? Can we talk; this is a debate I would love to have with you. It occurred to me that perhaps you feel this way because you do not suffer from a “chemical imbalance” but perhaps a “personality disorder” which is much harder to treat, as quoted from the book;
Malignant Self Love By: Dr. Sam Vann
“The narcissist's moods change abruptly in the wake of a narcissistic injury. One can easily manipulate the moods of a narcissist by making a disparaging remark, by disagreeing with him, by criticising him, by doubting his grandiosity or fantastic claims, etc.
Such REACTIVE mood shifts are not provoked by the fluctuations in the narcissist's body chemistry (for instance, his blood sugar levels), or with the presence or absence of any substance or chemical in his brain. It is possible to reduce the narcissist to a state of rage and depression AT ANY MOMENT, simply by employing the above "technique". He can be elated, even manic – and in a split second, following a narcissistic injury, depressed, sulking or raging.
The opposite is also true. The narcissist can be catapulted from the bleakest despair to utter mania (or at least to an increased and marked feeling of well-being) by being provided with the flimsiest Narcissistic Supply (attention, adulation, etc.).
These swings are totally correlated to external events (narcissistic injury or Narcissistic Supply) and not to cycles of hormones, enzymes, neurotransmitters, sugar, or other substances in the body.”
And back to Mr. Cruise; “There's ways of vitamins and through exercise and various things. I'm not saying that that isn't real. That's not what I'm saying. That's an alteration of what-- what I'm saying. I'm saying that drugs aren't the answer, these drugs are very dangerous. They're mind-altering, anti-psychotic drugs. And there are ways of doing it without that so that we don't end up in a brave new world.”
Mr. Cruise if you could now take a moment out of your busy life to call the people I mentioned in my last entry and tell them how having the young man who is being treated as a paranoid schizophrenic with anti-psychotic drugs is dangerous, I think they would be much relieved to hear your wisdom. Then if you would like to beam yourself up to heaven and speak to his brother, I think he can tell you how DANGEROUS it is for him to NOT take these anti-psychotic drugs, and just a guess, but I think he would tell you he wished his brother was taking them the week he was supposed to graduate from high school.
Get a grip, I wish they had a pill for stupidity – we know you can afford it. I just hope this impressionable young lady you are with now has someone she can speak with to keep her grounded.
The full interview:
“LAUER: TOM CRUISE CREATED A FIRESTORM WHEN HE CRITICIZED BROOKE SHIELDS FOR REVEALING THAT SHE WENT INTO THERAPY AND TOOK ANTIDEPRESSANTS TO DEAL WITH HER POST PARTUM DEPRESSION. AS A SCIENTOLGIST, HE DOESN'T BELIEVE IN PSYCHIATRIC MEDICINE. I ASKED HIM ABOUT HIS COMMENTS.
CRUISE: i've never agreed with psychiatry, ever. Before I was a Scientologist I never agreed with psychiatry. and when i started studying the history of psychiatry, i understood more and more why i didn't believe in psychology.
//And as far as the Brooke Shields thing is, look. You gotta understand, I really care about Brooke Shields. I-- I think here's a-- a-- a wonderful and talented woman. And-- I wanna see her do well. And I know that-- psychiatry is-- is a pseudo science.
MATT LAUER: But-- but Tom, if she said that this particular thing helped her feel better, whether it was the antidepressant or going to a counselor or psychiatrist, isn't that enough? //
TOM CRUISE: Matt, you have to understand this. Here we are today where I talk out against drugs and psychiatric abuses of electric shocking people (PH), okay, against their will, of drugging children with them not knowing the effects of these drugs. Do you know what Aderol (PH) is? Do you know Ritalin? Do you know now that Ritalin is a street drug? Do you understand that?
MATT LAUER:
The difference is--
(OVERTALK)
TOM CRUISE:
No, no, Matt.
MATT LAUER:
This wasn't against her will, though.
TOM CRUISE:
Matt-- Matt, Matt, Matt--
MATT LAUER:
But this wasn't against her will.
TOM CRUISE:
Matt, I'm-- Matt, I'm asking you a question.
MATT LAUER:
I understand there's abuse of all of these things.
TOM CRUISE:
No, you see. Here's the problem. You don't know the history of psychiatry. I do.//
MATT LAUER:
//aren't there examples, and might not Brooke Shields be an example, of someone who benefited from one of those drugs? TOM CRUISE:
all it does is mask the problem, Matt. And if you understand the history of it, it masks the problem. That's what it does. That's all it does. You're not getting to the reason why. There is no such thing as a chemical imbalance.
(OVERTALK)
MATT LAUER:
So, postpartum depression to you is--
TOM CRUISE:
Matt--
MATT LAUER:
--kind of a--
TOM CRUISE:
--don't--
MATT LAUER:
--little psychological gook--
TOM CRUISE:
That--
MATT LAUER:
--googley-gook?
TOM CRUISE:
--no. No. I did not say that.
MATT LAUER:
I'm just asking what you-- what would you call it?
TOM CRUISE:
No. No. Abs-- Matt, that is-- the-- post-- now-- now, you're talking about two different things.
MATT LAUER:
But that's what she went on the--
TOM CRUISE:
No. MATT LAUER:
--antidepressant for.
TOM CRUISE: But what happens, the antidepressant, all it does is mask the problem. There's ways of vitamins and through exercise and various things. I'm not saying that that isn't real. That's not what I'm saying. That's an alteration of what-- what I'm saying. I'm saying that drugs aren't the answer, these drugs are very dangerous. They're mind-altering, anti-psychotic drugs. And there are ways of doing it without that so that we don't end up in a brave new world. // the thing that I'm saying about Brooke is that there's misinformation, okay. And she doesn't understand the history of psychiatry. She-- she doesn't understand in the same way that you don't understand it, Matt.
// MATT LAUER: But a little bit what you're saying Tom is, you say you want people to do well. But you want them do to well by taking the road that you approve of, as opposed to a road that may work for them.
TOM CRUISE: No, no, I'm not.
MATT LAUER: Well, if antidepressants work for Brooke Shields, why isn't that okay?
TOM CRUISE: I-- I disagree with it. And I think that there's a higher and better quality of life. And I think that promoting for me personally, see, you're saying what, I can't discuss what I wanna discuss?
MATT LAUER: No. You absolutely can.
TOM CRUISE: I know. But-- but Matt, you're going in and saying that-- that I can't discuss this.
MATT LAUER: I'm only asking, isn't there a possibility that-- do-- do you examine the possibility that these things do work for some people? That yes, there are abuses. And yes, maybe they've gone too far in certain areas. Maybe there are too many kids on Ritalin. Maybe electric shock--
TOM CRUISE: Too many kids on Ritalin? Matt.
MATT LAUER: I'm just saying. But-- but aren't there--
TOM CRUISE: Matt.
MATT LAUER: --examples where it works?
TOM CRUISE: Matt. Matt, Matt, you don't even-- you're glib. You don't even know what Ritalin is.// //if you start talking about chemical imbalance, you have to evaluate and read the research papers on how they came up with these theories, Matt, okay. That's what I've done. Then you go and you say where's-- where's the medical test? Where's the blood test that says how much Ritalin you're supposed to get?
MATT LAUER: You're-- you're-- it's very impressive to listen to you. Because clearly, you've done the homework. And-- and you know the subject.
TOM CRUISE: And you should.
MATT LAUER: And-- and--
TOM CRUISE: And you should do that also.
MATT LAUER: And--
TOM CRUISE: Because just knowing people who are on Ritalin isn't enough. //you should be a little bit more responsible in knowing really--
MATT LAUER: I'm not prescribing Ritalin, Tom. And I'm not asking--
TOM CRUISE: Well--
MATT LAUER: --anyone else to do it. I'm simply saying--
(OVERTALK)
TOM CRUISE: Well, you are. You're saying--
MATT LAUER: I know some people who seem to have been helped by it.
TOM CRUISE: I-- but you're saying-- but you-- like-- this is a very important issue.
MATT LAUER: I couldn't agree more.
TOM CRUISE: It's very-- and you know what? You're here on the Today Show.
MATT LAUER: Right.
TOM CRUISE: And to talk about it in a way of saying, "Well, isn't it okay," and being reasonable about it when you don't know and I do, I think that you should be a little bit more responsible in knowing what it is.
MATT LAUER: But--
TOM CRUISE: Because you-- you communicate to people.
MATT LAUER: But you're now telling me that your experiences with the people I know, which are zero, are more important than my experiences.
TOM CRUISE: What do you mean by that?
MATT LAUER: You're telling me what's worked for people I know or hasn't worked for people I know. // i'm telling you i've lived with these people and they're better.
TOM CRUISE: So, you're-- you're advocating it.
MATT LAUER: I am not. I'm telling you in their case-- (LAUGHTER)
(OVERTALK)
MATT LAUER: In their individual case, it worked. I am not gonna go out and say--
TOM CRUISE: Matt--
MATT LAUER: --"Get your kids on Ritalin. It's the cure-all--
TOM CRUISE: Matt, Matt.
MATT LAUER: --and the end-all."
TOM CRUISE: Matt, but here's the point. what is the ideal scene for life
TOM CRUISE: Okay. Ideal scene is someone not having to take anti-psychotic drugs.
MATT LAUER: I would agree.
TOM CRUISE: Okay. So, now you look at-- and you go okay. A-- a departure from that ideal scene is someone taking drugs, okay. And then you go, okay. What is the theory and the science behind that, that justifies that?
MATT LAUER: Let me take this more general, 'cause I think you and I can go around in circles on this for awhile. And i respect your opinion ...
MATT LAUER: Do you want more people to understand Scientology? Is that-- would that be a goal of yours?
TOM CRUISE: You know what? I-- absolutely. Of course, you know. And people--
MATT LAUER: How do you go about that?
TOM CRUISE: You just communicate about it. And the important thing is, like you and I talk about it, whether it's-- okay, if I wanna know something, I go and find out. /Because I don't talk about things that I don't understand. I'll say, you know what? I'm not so sure about that. I'll go find more information about it so I can-- I can come to an opinion based on-- on the information that I have.
MATT LAUER: You-- you're so passionate about it. And I'm--
TOM CRUISE: I'm passionate about learning. I'm passionate about life, Matt.
Living life by a script, blowing kisses to the well wishers who hold you in a “bigger than life” status, having the money of a godzillionar, yes this is what I call reality, or something like it.
• this makes the hero’s of our generation
• this makes the people who influence those who are not of mind to educate themselves
• this is the person who speaks to those without experience and convinces them of their nonsense
• this is the person who breaks the hearts of parents who have labored over the decision to medicate their children or themselves
• and yes, this is the celebrity who single handedly puts mental illness back in the closet.
“There is no such thing as a chemical imbalance.”
Ah Mr. Cruise… those diabetics are going to be clamoring to your door to see how they can live minus their insulin, and why you’re at it - I am looking for a way to give up my twice a week shots for my auto-immune arthritis.
But on topic, what you are telling me is that I as a parent have totally caused all of the incidents I have discussed here because I failed to provide my daughter with an adequate supply of Fred Flintstone vitamins? Can we talk; this is a debate I would love to have with you. It occurred to me that perhaps you feel this way because you do not suffer from a “chemical imbalance” but perhaps a “personality disorder” which is much harder to treat, as quoted from the book;
Malignant Self Love By: Dr. Sam Vann
“The narcissist's moods change abruptly in the wake of a narcissistic injury. One can easily manipulate the moods of a narcissist by making a disparaging remark, by disagreeing with him, by criticising him, by doubting his grandiosity or fantastic claims, etc.
Such REACTIVE mood shifts are not provoked by the fluctuations in the narcissist's body chemistry (for instance, his blood sugar levels), or with the presence or absence of any substance or chemical in his brain. It is possible to reduce the narcissist to a state of rage and depression AT ANY MOMENT, simply by employing the above "technique". He can be elated, even manic – and in a split second, following a narcissistic injury, depressed, sulking or raging.
The opposite is also true. The narcissist can be catapulted from the bleakest despair to utter mania (or at least to an increased and marked feeling of well-being) by being provided with the flimsiest Narcissistic Supply (attention, adulation, etc.).
These swings are totally correlated to external events (narcissistic injury or Narcissistic Supply) and not to cycles of hormones, enzymes, neurotransmitters, sugar, or other substances in the body.”
And back to Mr. Cruise; “There's ways of vitamins and through exercise and various things. I'm not saying that that isn't real. That's not what I'm saying. That's an alteration of what-- what I'm saying. I'm saying that drugs aren't the answer, these drugs are very dangerous. They're mind-altering, anti-psychotic drugs. And there are ways of doing it without that so that we don't end up in a brave new world.”
Mr. Cruise if you could now take a moment out of your busy life to call the people I mentioned in my last entry and tell them how having the young man who is being treated as a paranoid schizophrenic with anti-psychotic drugs is dangerous, I think they would be much relieved to hear your wisdom. Then if you would like to beam yourself up to heaven and speak to his brother, I think he can tell you how DANGEROUS it is for him to NOT take these anti-psychotic drugs, and just a guess, but I think he would tell you he wished his brother was taking them the week he was supposed to graduate from high school.
Get a grip, I wish they had a pill for stupidity – we know you can afford it. I just hope this impressionable young lady you are with now has someone she can speak with to keep her grounded.
The full interview:
“LAUER: TOM CRUISE CREATED A FIRESTORM WHEN HE CRITICIZED BROOKE SHIELDS FOR REVEALING THAT SHE WENT INTO THERAPY AND TOOK ANTIDEPRESSANTS TO DEAL WITH HER POST PARTUM DEPRESSION. AS A SCIENTOLGIST, HE DOESN'T BELIEVE IN PSYCHIATRIC MEDICINE. I ASKED HIM ABOUT HIS COMMENTS.
CRUISE: i've never agreed with psychiatry, ever. Before I was a Scientologist I never agreed with psychiatry. and when i started studying the history of psychiatry, i understood more and more why i didn't believe in psychology.
//And as far as the Brooke Shields thing is, look. You gotta understand, I really care about Brooke Shields. I-- I think here's a-- a-- a wonderful and talented woman. And-- I wanna see her do well. And I know that-- psychiatry is-- is a pseudo science.
MATT LAUER: But-- but Tom, if she said that this particular thing helped her feel better, whether it was the antidepressant or going to a counselor or psychiatrist, isn't that enough? //
TOM CRUISE: Matt, you have to understand this. Here we are today where I talk out against drugs and psychiatric abuses of electric shocking people (PH), okay, against their will, of drugging children with them not knowing the effects of these drugs. Do you know what Aderol (PH) is? Do you know Ritalin? Do you know now that Ritalin is a street drug? Do you understand that?
MATT LAUER:
The difference is--
(OVERTALK)
TOM CRUISE:
No, no, Matt.
MATT LAUER:
This wasn't against her will, though.
TOM CRUISE:
Matt-- Matt, Matt, Matt--
MATT LAUER:
But this wasn't against her will.
TOM CRUISE:
Matt, I'm-- Matt, I'm asking you a question.
MATT LAUER:
I understand there's abuse of all of these things.
TOM CRUISE:
No, you see. Here's the problem. You don't know the history of psychiatry. I do.//
MATT LAUER:
//aren't there examples, and might not Brooke Shields be an example, of someone who benefited from one of those drugs? TOM CRUISE:
all it does is mask the problem, Matt. And if you understand the history of it, it masks the problem. That's what it does. That's all it does. You're not getting to the reason why. There is no such thing as a chemical imbalance.
(OVERTALK)
MATT LAUER:
So, postpartum depression to you is--
TOM CRUISE:
Matt--
MATT LAUER:
--kind of a--
TOM CRUISE:
--don't--
MATT LAUER:
--little psychological gook--
TOM CRUISE:
That--
MATT LAUER:
--googley-gook?
TOM CRUISE:
--no. No. I did not say that.
MATT LAUER:
I'm just asking what you-- what would you call it?
TOM CRUISE:
No. No. Abs-- Matt, that is-- the-- post-- now-- now, you're talking about two different things.
MATT LAUER:
But that's what she went on the--
TOM CRUISE:
No. MATT LAUER:
--antidepressant for.
TOM CRUISE: But what happens, the antidepressant, all it does is mask the problem. There's ways of vitamins and through exercise and various things. I'm not saying that that isn't real. That's not what I'm saying. That's an alteration of what-- what I'm saying. I'm saying that drugs aren't the answer, these drugs are very dangerous. They're mind-altering, anti-psychotic drugs. And there are ways of doing it without that so that we don't end up in a brave new world. // the thing that I'm saying about Brooke is that there's misinformation, okay. And she doesn't understand the history of psychiatry. She-- she doesn't understand in the same way that you don't understand it, Matt.
// MATT LAUER: But a little bit what you're saying Tom is, you say you want people to do well. But you want them do to well by taking the road that you approve of, as opposed to a road that may work for them.
TOM CRUISE: No, no, I'm not.
MATT LAUER: Well, if antidepressants work for Brooke Shields, why isn't that okay?
TOM CRUISE: I-- I disagree with it. And I think that there's a higher and better quality of life. And I think that promoting for me personally, see, you're saying what, I can't discuss what I wanna discuss?
MATT LAUER: No. You absolutely can.
TOM CRUISE: I know. But-- but Matt, you're going in and saying that-- that I can't discuss this.
MATT LAUER: I'm only asking, isn't there a possibility that-- do-- do you examine the possibility that these things do work for some people? That yes, there are abuses. And yes, maybe they've gone too far in certain areas. Maybe there are too many kids on Ritalin. Maybe electric shock--
TOM CRUISE: Too many kids on Ritalin? Matt.
MATT LAUER: I'm just saying. But-- but aren't there--
TOM CRUISE: Matt.
MATT LAUER: --examples where it works?
TOM CRUISE: Matt. Matt, Matt, you don't even-- you're glib. You don't even know what Ritalin is.// //if you start talking about chemical imbalance, you have to evaluate and read the research papers on how they came up with these theories, Matt, okay. That's what I've done. Then you go and you say where's-- where's the medical test? Where's the blood test that says how much Ritalin you're supposed to get?
MATT LAUER: You're-- you're-- it's very impressive to listen to you. Because clearly, you've done the homework. And-- and you know the subject.
TOM CRUISE: And you should.
MATT LAUER: And-- and--
TOM CRUISE: And you should do that also.
MATT LAUER: And--
TOM CRUISE: Because just knowing people who are on Ritalin isn't enough. //you should be a little bit more responsible in knowing really--
MATT LAUER: I'm not prescribing Ritalin, Tom. And I'm not asking--
TOM CRUISE: Well--
MATT LAUER: --anyone else to do it. I'm simply saying--
(OVERTALK)
TOM CRUISE: Well, you are. You're saying--
MATT LAUER: I know some people who seem to have been helped by it.
TOM CRUISE: I-- but you're saying-- but you-- like-- this is a very important issue.
MATT LAUER: I couldn't agree more.
TOM CRUISE: It's very-- and you know what? You're here on the Today Show.
MATT LAUER: Right.
TOM CRUISE: And to talk about it in a way of saying, "Well, isn't it okay," and being reasonable about it when you don't know and I do, I think that you should be a little bit more responsible in knowing what it is.
MATT LAUER: But--
TOM CRUISE: Because you-- you communicate to people.
MATT LAUER: But you're now telling me that your experiences with the people I know, which are zero, are more important than my experiences.
TOM CRUISE: What do you mean by that?
MATT LAUER: You're telling me what's worked for people I know or hasn't worked for people I know. // i'm telling you i've lived with these people and they're better.
TOM CRUISE: So, you're-- you're advocating it.
MATT LAUER: I am not. I'm telling you in their case-- (LAUGHTER)
(OVERTALK)
MATT LAUER: In their individual case, it worked. I am not gonna go out and say--
TOM CRUISE: Matt--
MATT LAUER: --"Get your kids on Ritalin. It's the cure-all--
TOM CRUISE: Matt, Matt.
MATT LAUER: --and the end-all."
TOM CRUISE: Matt, but here's the point. what is the ideal scene for life
TOM CRUISE: Okay. Ideal scene is someone not having to take anti-psychotic drugs.
MATT LAUER: I would agree.
TOM CRUISE: Okay. So, now you look at-- and you go okay. A-- a departure from that ideal scene is someone taking drugs, okay. And then you go, okay. What is the theory and the science behind that, that justifies that?
MATT LAUER: Let me take this more general, 'cause I think you and I can go around in circles on this for awhile. And i respect your opinion ...
MATT LAUER: Do you want more people to understand Scientology? Is that-- would that be a goal of yours?
TOM CRUISE: You know what? I-- absolutely. Of course, you know. And people--
MATT LAUER: How do you go about that?
TOM CRUISE: You just communicate about it. And the important thing is, like you and I talk about it, whether it's-- okay, if I wanna know something, I go and find out. /Because I don't talk about things that I don't understand. I'll say, you know what? I'm not so sure about that. I'll go find more information about it so I can-- I can come to an opinion based on-- on the information that I have.
MATT LAUER: You-- you're so passionate about it. And I'm--
TOM CRUISE: I'm passionate about learning. I'm passionate about life, Matt.
posted by ewschott at Sunday, July 03, 2005
5 Comments:
Charlie, you must be new here.
Thank you for your new albeit angry comment. I must disagree if anyone sounds "caring about Tom", it would be you.
If you were a visiter to this blog you would see that this is the "least" I have written regarding any subject, most of it is quotes.
If you read it over sans the smoke flowing out of your ears, you will see it has nothing to do with "the" Tom Cruise, but those in the position to influence people at a mass scale, and the fact that there are people who take them seriously. So you're right, it touched a nerve, the things I have been through as a parent of a kid with a chemical imbalance have been un-nerving especially when some "celeb" trys to say what is right regarding the psychiatry of this illness.
Not for the Lazy... ha! You try to raise one of these kids, just read this whole blog and you will be exhusted.
Now, I have spent more time replying to you, but unlike you I don't think it has been a waste of my time.
I am glad things are working for you.
god love 'em, some people think that if you eat right, excercise daily, you'll have nothing wrong with you and that anything wrong with you is all in the mind...
well, hiya elizabeth, how's things going besides all this?
d'ya know, it's weird, you know nothing about anyone ( met on the net) until they start telling you what's going on.
good luck with stuff, hope it gets better
Nic... if this is Nic one of my favorite "contemporary" artist? Thanks for the visit!
(proceeding as so...) I hope you used the tatoo guy from Luxemborg, and I love your diary by the way. I should link to you!
Hope all is well at Nell', Elizabeth
Thank you Jason for your kind words.
yup, that was me, sorry haven't been back to confirm, been struggling with a nightmare of a commission.
i haven't used him yet, but i bought two canvasses today, i think he might be going on the second one ;)
don't know how it is at nell, lol, i don't get half the more esoteric posts, or most of the sense of humour ;)
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